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> <channel><title>Comments on: Copyright&#8217;s death throes?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/</link> <description>Thoughts on British ICT, energy &#38; environment, &#34;Cloud&#34;, and security from Memset&#039;s MD</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:21:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: uberseehandel</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link> <dc:creator>uberseehandel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=23#comment-33</guid> <description>One of the reasons real copyright issues are so fraught is that very few legislators have the slightest idea what is at stake, and are barely interested.
The issues involved are complex, presently we have the recording industry and the music publishing industry at each others&#039; throats over ringtones. &#039;Hang On!&#039;, you might say, &#039;aren&#039;t most of the publishers owned by the recording companies?&#039; no shit, Sherlock, you are right! So its difficult, complicated and in the too hard bucket. In the US, the DMCA was driven by very sectarian interests and had several unsought for side effects, nearly all of which require an attention span of more than 7 seconds to explain, so they aren&#039;t going to get fixed any time soon. The EU equivalent, the EUCD is similarly flawed.
Until fairly recently, I used to travel regularly between the US and Europe. I bought DVDs in both continents which I played on my laptop. I can hear you saying, &#039;had to get the player unlocked&#039;. That wasn&#039;t the problem, the hardware CAN be switched. Microfrost Windows Media Edition can&#039;t. This so insensed me that I actually got onto them and got right to the very top, to the geek in chief and pointed out that this was a ridiculous situation, and that lots of people must be in the same boat. I was told that the studios were not comfortable with the idea of computers able to play multiple zones and broadcast standards (NTSC &amp; PAL), and that I should travel with two computers, one for Zone 1 and the other for Zone 2. This is the problem with people who travel by charter jet, they don&#039;t get to carry their own luggage!
At some stage, somebody will come up with an acceptable digital book reading device, it doesn&#039;t feel like any time soon, however. And probably just as well, the act of going into a bookshop is an adventure that online booksellers have not yet managed to emulate. Incidentally, when I was visiting UCB a few years ago, the Librarian told me that it would be cheaper to hand out photocopies of books as opposed to physically handling individual issues and returns, once copied, the original need never see the light of day again, and an end to custodial problems. An interesting insight into the economics of one of the world&#039;s largest academic libraries.
A developement which is likely to have some traction in the copyright and royalty area is the subscription. In an uncertain world, we do not like committing ourselves to uncapped expenses, so the all you can consume for a fixed price that we are about to see from the Venice Project ( http://theveniceproject.com/ ) or DVD rental companies, is likely to become more widespread, did I hear Sky is moving to video on demand, for a fixed sub?
So, all the music you can download for 10 pounds a month - any takers?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons real copyright issues are so fraught is that very few legislators have the slightest idea what is at stake, and are barely interested.</p><p>The issues involved are complex, presently we have the recording industry and the music publishing industry at each others&#8217; throats over ringtones. &#8216;Hang On!&#8217;, you might say, &#8216;aren&#8217;t most of the publishers owned by the recording companies?&#8217; no shit, Sherlock, you are right! So its difficult, complicated and in the too hard bucket. In the US, the DMCA was driven by very sectarian interests and had several unsought for side effects, nearly all of which require an attention span of more than 7 seconds to explain, so they aren&#8217;t going to get fixed any time soon. The EU equivalent, the EUCD is similarly flawed.</p><p>Until fairly recently, I used to travel regularly between the US and Europe. I bought DVDs in both continents which I played on my laptop. I can hear you saying, &#8216;had to get the player unlocked&#8217;. That wasn&#8217;t the problem, the hardware CAN be switched. Microfrost Windows Media Edition can&#8217;t. This so insensed me that I actually got onto them and got right to the very top, to the geek in chief and pointed out that this was a ridiculous situation, and that lots of people must be in the same boat. I was told that the studios were not comfortable with the idea of computers able to play multiple zones and broadcast standards (NTSC &amp; PAL), and that I should travel with two computers, one for Zone 1 and the other for Zone 2. This is the problem with people who travel by charter jet, they don&#8217;t get to carry their own luggage!</p><p>At some stage, somebody will come up with an acceptable digital book reading device, it doesn&#8217;t feel like any time soon, however. And probably just as well, the act of going into a bookshop is an adventure that online booksellers have not yet managed to emulate. Incidentally, when I was visiting UCB a few years ago, the Librarian told me that it would be cheaper to hand out photocopies of books as opposed to physically handling individual issues and returns, once copied, the original need never see the light of day again, and an end to custodial problems. An interesting insight into the economics of one of the world&#8217;s largest academic libraries.</p><p>A developement which is likely to have some traction in the copyright and royalty area is the subscription. In an uncertain world, we do not like committing ourselves to uncapped expenses, so the all you can consume for a fixed price that we are about to see from the Venice Project ( <a
href="http://theveniceproject.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theveniceproject.com/</a> ) or DVD rental companies, is likely to become more widespread, did I hear Sky is moving to video on demand, for a fixed sub?</p><p>So, all the music you can download for 10 pounds a month &#8211; any takers?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pjamesharvey</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link> <dc:creator>pjamesharvey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=23#comment-31</guid> <description>But it&#039;s the big cost of printing/distributing that prevents just anyone from reprinting/redistributing a written work. Even photocopying a book would take a lot of paper and a lot of time. If you remove the burden of cost and time so that anyone could freely copy a written work and read it then what&#039;s stopping them from doing so?
This is what we are seeing with music. In the past, copying a tape or CD still required physical media, and there was a cost involved. Now it&#039;s just a case of copying a file, using up a tiny amount of space on a hard drive, we see that music files are being freely copied, anonymously and wantonly, via P2P networks and the like.
And don&#039;t be misled: there are books and comics being copied over the same networks (and films). What is stopping it from being more widespread and threatening the book industry as much is the reproduction values. To appreciate music, you need some equipment to reproduce the sounds. There are many ways of doing this, from nice hi-fi systems at home, to portable players for personal use, or players in cars. And all that we need to do is listen, passively for the most part. Music can even be streamed over networks to hi-fi systems, so the files don&#039;t have to be moved from the computer.
Books, on the other hand, require a lot more dedicated attention, and nothing yet has come close to the quality of paper for ease of browsing or reading. Sure, electronic paper looks like it could be an adequate replacement, but it still may not beat riffling through a book. We simply haven&#039;t found a way to reproduce a book in the same way that we can reproduce audio, where we can shift the contents to be appropriate to the situation. Even so, some people download books to their PDAs, and read the content on them. And these people will and do download books as freely as others do music.
Novelists are less threatened only because, in my view, their works are not being made available in digitial form by and large, are not easy to digitise by ordinary people who buy the books, and the reproduction of written works in digital format is still vastly inferior. I would imagine novelists are just as likely to embrace the technology that will allow free copying as musicians. That is to say, there are some, but by no means all of them think that way.
As for some other points: it&#039;s not that the music can be sold for less leading to greater sales, it&#039;s that if the music is sold for less then more music will have to be sold to retain the profit margins. The music industry, because of the cost of studios, advertising, and distributing, have built a profitable business around keeping the executives rich and the musicians poor, because most musicians simply don&#039;t have the resources to create and market their own records. The executives, understandably, would like to keep this status quo, and so would rather charge more and have to sell less to keep themselves wealthy.
I agree, however, that there may be a huge cultural shift were music tracks reduced to pennies to buy, and available as high-quality, DRM- and licence-free downloads from reliable and fast sources. Who would bother burning a disc and giving that to someone when a full download of a whole disc would cost 50 p and take the same amount of time as it would to rip? It is quite possible we would see music being distributed completely legally, if only it were as trivial to get as it is on P2P networks. It will take a major change before that happens.
On-line purchases are probably still far too encumbered for this to happen. DRM that doesn&#039;t allow burning, or transferring tracks, and licences that don&#039;t allow for computer crashes or hardware failures that lead to having to buy the music again, makes buying the CDs a better bet for the most part. You have the highest quality of music, can choose which format and quality to rip it to, and have repeat access to the source should something happen to the files.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s the big cost of printing/distributing that prevents just anyone from reprinting/redistributing a written work. Even photocopying a book would take a lot of paper and a lot of time. If you remove the burden of cost and time so that anyone could freely copy a written work and read it then what&#8217;s stopping them from doing so?</p><p>This is what we are seeing with music. In the past, copying a tape or CD still required physical media, and there was a cost involved. Now it&#8217;s just a case of copying a file, using up a tiny amount of space on a hard drive, we see that music files are being freely copied, anonymously and wantonly, via P2P networks and the like.</p><p>And don&#8217;t be misled: there are books and comics being copied over the same networks (and films). What is stopping it from being more widespread and threatening the book industry as much is the reproduction values. To appreciate music, you need some equipment to reproduce the sounds. There are many ways of doing this, from nice hi-fi systems at home, to portable players for personal use, or players in cars. And all that we need to do is listen, passively for the most part. Music can even be streamed over networks to hi-fi systems, so the files don&#8217;t have to be moved from the computer.</p><p>Books, on the other hand, require a lot more dedicated attention, and nothing yet has come close to the quality of paper for ease of browsing or reading. Sure, electronic paper looks like it could be an adequate replacement, but it still may not beat riffling through a book. We simply haven&#8217;t found a way to reproduce a book in the same way that we can reproduce audio, where we can shift the contents to be appropriate to the situation. Even so, some people download books to their PDAs, and read the content on them. And these people will and do download books as freely as others do music.</p><p>Novelists are less threatened only because, in my view, their works are not being made available in digitial form by and large, are not easy to digitise by ordinary people who buy the books, and the reproduction of written works in digital format is still vastly inferior. I would imagine novelists are just as likely to embrace the technology that will allow free copying as musicians. That is to say, there are some, but by no means all of them think that way.</p><p>As for some other points: it&#8217;s not that the music can be sold for less leading to greater sales, it&#8217;s that if the music is sold for less then more music will have to be sold to retain the profit margins. The music industry, because of the cost of studios, advertising, and distributing, have built a profitable business around keeping the executives rich and the musicians poor, because most musicians simply don&#8217;t have the resources to create and market their own records. The executives, understandably, would like to keep this status quo, and so would rather charge more and have to sell less to keep themselves wealthy.</p><p>I agree, however, that there may be a huge cultural shift were music tracks reduced to pennies to buy, and available as high-quality, DRM- and licence-free downloads from reliable and fast sources. Who would bother burning a disc and giving that to someone when a full download of a whole disc would cost 50 p and take the same amount of time as it would to rip? It is quite possible we would see music being distributed completely legally, if only it were as trivial to get as it is on P2P networks. It will take a major change before that happens.</p><p>On-line purchases are probably still far too encumbered for this to happen. DRM that doesn&#8217;t allow burning, or transferring tracks, and licences that don&#8217;t allow for computer crashes or hardware failures that lead to having to buy the music again, makes buying the CDs a better bet for the most part. You have the highest quality of music, can choose which format and quality to rip it to, and have repeat access to the source should something happen to the files.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pjamesharvey</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link> <dc:creator>pjamesharvey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=23#comment-32</guid> <description>But what we get for buying the CD is occasionally a crippled experience, with DRM preventing us from doing what we consider fair. We can&#039;t rip the files and play them on our computer or portable player. For people who use portable players or their computer to organise their music collection we are left with a CD that is woefully anachronistic, tied to a physical device, the CD player. Anyone who has used a portable player for any amount of time, which now includes my mother, appreciates the amazing convenience of having your entire collection at your fingertips wherever you are. The choice of what to play is not limited by what compilations you&#039;ve spent hours creating, or what CDs you&#039;ve stuffed in to a folder, but simply by what you feel like listening to. By creating CDs that prevent their reasonable digitisation, we are reminded just how limited we have been. And when I have been presented with a copy-protected CD, I have not bought it and found other means to get the music. After all, that&#039;s what I want: the music. And, it has been pointed out many times before, the restrictions that are placed on the physical media do not stop determined people, so it&#039;s normally the people who are or want to be law-abiding that end up being annoyed the most by these restrictions, and that is entirely counter-productive to what is trying to be achieved.
Nevertheless, I don&#039;t like the attitude that music, or films or books or whatever, should be free. These works take time and money to produce, as well as a great deal of skill and talent. To enable the artists to continue they need to be paid just as everyone else needs to be paid for their work. The traditional method of doing this is for people to pay for a reproduction of their work. Whether this can be improved upon, I don&#039;t know.
I don&#039;t like that attitude that just because someone wouldn&#039;t buy the work in the first place that they can get it for free. That&#039;s selfish thinking. If you wouldn&#039;t buy the work you have no right to appreciate it in the commercial form it&#039;s been made available in. There are other ways to achieve this, if you don&#039;t want to buy something. There are libraries and public radio. There are definitely limitations to both of these methods, but that&#039;s why many people pay to get a copy of the work, so that they are not restricted in how they get to enjoy it. And that gets us back to restrictions, and should highlight why restricting what people can do what they want with what they buy is not a good thing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what we get for buying the CD is occasionally a crippled experience, with DRM preventing us from doing what we consider fair. We can&#8217;t rip the files and play them on our computer or portable player. For people who use portable players or their computer to organise their music collection we are left with a CD that is woefully anachronistic, tied to a physical device, the CD player. Anyone who has used a portable player for any amount of time, which now includes my mother, appreciates the amazing convenience of having your entire collection at your fingertips wherever you are. The choice of what to play is not limited by what compilations you&#8217;ve spent hours creating, or what CDs you&#8217;ve stuffed in to a folder, but simply by what you feel like listening to. By creating CDs that prevent their reasonable digitisation, we are reminded just how limited we have been. And when I have been presented with a copy-protected CD, I have not bought it and found other means to get the music. After all, that&#8217;s what I want: the music. And, it has been pointed out many times before, the restrictions that are placed on the physical media do not stop determined people, so it&#8217;s normally the people who are or want to be law-abiding that end up being annoyed the most by these restrictions, and that is entirely counter-productive to what is trying to be achieved.</p><p>Nevertheless, I don&#8217;t like the attitude that music, or films or books or whatever, should be free. These works take time and money to produce, as well as a great deal of skill and talent. To enable the artists to continue they need to be paid just as everyone else needs to be paid for their work. The traditional method of doing this is for people to pay for a reproduction of their work. Whether this can be improved upon, I don&#8217;t know.</p><p>I don&#8217;t like that attitude that just because someone wouldn&#8217;t buy the work in the first place that they can get it for free. That&#8217;s selfish thinking. If you wouldn&#8217;t buy the work you have no right to appreciate it in the commercial form it&#8217;s been made available in. There are other ways to achieve this, if you don&#8217;t want to buy something. There are libraries and public radio. There are definitely limitations to both of these methods, but that&#8217;s why many people pay to get a copy of the work, so that they are not restricted in how they get to enjoy it. And that gets us back to restrictions, and should highlight why restricting what people can do what they want with what they buy is not a good thing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link> <dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:04:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=23#comment-30</guid> <description>I agree on the preference for reading paper-based novels, however I have little doubt that a good electronic book system will be developed soon (there are already examples of electronic paper out there.
Still, I do agree that novelists are less threatened, and also perhaps more likely to be happy to embrace new technologies since for them distribution/printing really is a big cost!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the preference for reading paper-based novels, however I have little doubt that a good electronic book system will be developed soon (there are already examples of electronic paper out there.</p><p>Still, I do agree that novelists are less threatened, and also perhaps more likely to be happy to embrace new technologies since for them distribution/printing really is a big cost!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dragonmaster_x</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/copyrights-death-throes/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link> <dc:creator>dragonmaster_x</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=23#comment-29</guid> <description>I find reading novels on the computer isn&#039;t quite the same as reading it in print form. So I doubt warez affects novel sales too much. :P</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find reading novels on the computer isn&#8217;t quite the same as reading it in print form. So I doubt warez affects novel sales too much. <img
src='http://cdn.katescomment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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