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> <channel><title>Comments on: IaaS vs. PaaS vs. SaaS definition</title> <atom:link href="http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/</link> <description>Thoughts on British ICT, energy &#38; environment, &#34;Cloud&#34;, and security from Memset&#039;s MD</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:21:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: katecw</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-8520</link> <dc:creator>katecw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:21:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-8520</guid> <description>Further to my reply to Bud, I was wrong. Two examples of PaaS software that can sit on top of an IaaS provider of your choice (to some extent) are VMware&#039;s Cloud Foundry and Redhat&#039;s OpenShift (still beta). Also, to be clear, lots of PaaS players do use IaaS, my favourite example being Heroku which sits on top of Amazon EC2, but you can&#039;t choose to host it one someone else&#039;s IaaS cloud.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to my reply to Bud, I was wrong. Two examples of PaaS software that can sit on top of an IaaS provider of your choice (to some extent) are VMware&#8217;s Cloud Foundry and Redhat&#8217;s OpenShift (still beta). Also, to be clear, lots of PaaS players do use IaaS, my favourite example being Heroku which sits on top of Amazon EC2, but you can&#8217;t choose to host it one someone else&#8217;s IaaS cloud.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: katecw</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-8519</link> <dc:creator>katecw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:17:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-8519</guid> <description>force.com and longjump.com are examples of why on my layers definition above there is an overlap between SaaS and PaaS - they are restricted versions of platforms with quite a lot of vendor lock in and restrictions around what you can do. What I am hoping to see is PaaS where you can do just about anything with the supported generalised language(s) (Python, java, whatever), databases and messaging layer and the provider adds value by taking away the scaling headaches, as well as other stuff like patching, OS&#039;s and hardware.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>force.com and longjump.com are examples of why on my layers definition above there is an overlap between SaaS and PaaS &#8211; they are restricted versions of platforms with quite a lot of vendor lock in and restrictions around what you can do. What I am hoping to see is PaaS where you can do just about anything with the supported generalised language(s) (Python, java, whatever), databases and messaging layer and the provider adds value by taking away the scaling headaches, as well as other stuff like patching, OS&#8217;s and hardware.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jos</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-6033</link> <dc:creator>Jos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-6033</guid> <description>Hi Kate,
Reading through the comments, I wonder why you are disqualifying PaaS vendors like LongJump and force.com as &quot;true PaaS&quot;? Could you elaborate on that? Based on your classification and explanations, these to me seem prime examples.
Thank!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p><p>Reading through the comments, I wonder why you are disqualifying PaaS vendors like LongJump and force.com as &#8220;true PaaS&#8221;? Could you elaborate on that? Based on your classification and explanations, these to me seem prime examples.</p><p>Thank!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: katecw</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-5469</link> <dc:creator>katecw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:43:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-5469</guid> <description>@Bud At present I don&#039;t believe anyone is offering a PaaS that sits on top of someone else&#039;s IaaS, but I could be wrong. Since PaaS technology is relatively immature the players making moves in that space tend to also own the IaaS.
However, one possible example, going back to my LAMP stacks again, would be some of our customers who rent IaaS (virtual machines etc) from us, install and manage the application infrastructure software themselves (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP/Python etc  - &quot;LAMP&quot; stacks), and then provide managed Web hosting services to their customer who are less technical and just want a platform to run their e-commerce shop or whatever. Those Web hosting resellers, for want of a better name, are in effect providing PaaS, though usually not on the granular level we tend to think of with cloud.
The big issue I see with PaaS at the moment is that no one has worked out the right way to bill for it. Google App Engine&#039;s new billing is more like IaaS (instances etc). I think charging per-user would be best for PaaS, but then you&#039;re having to poke up into the software layer in most cases.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bud At present I don&#8217;t believe anyone is offering a PaaS that sits on top of someone else&#8217;s IaaS, but I could be wrong. Since PaaS technology is relatively immature the players making moves in that space tend to also own the IaaS.</p><p>However, one possible example, going back to my LAMP stacks again, would be some of our customers who rent IaaS (virtual machines etc) from us, install and manage the application infrastructure software themselves (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP/Python etc  &#8211; &#8220;LAMP&#8221; stacks), and then provide managed Web hosting services to their customer who are less technical and just want a platform to run their e-commerce shop or whatever. Those Web hosting resellers, for want of a better name, are in effect providing PaaS, though usually not on the granular level we tend to think of with cloud.</p><p>The big issue I see with PaaS at the moment is that no one has worked out the right way to bill for it. Google App Engine&#8217;s new billing is more like IaaS (instances etc). I think charging per-user would be best for PaaS, but then you&#8217;re having to poke up into the software layer in most cases.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: katecw</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-5467</link> <dc:creator>katecw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:30:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-5467</guid> <description>@Jan Yes please do - just link back to the original.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jan Yes please do &#8211; just link back to the original.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: katecw</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-5466</link> <dc:creator>katecw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:29:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-5466</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think there are any properly mature PaaS plays out there to be honest. The next best thing in my view is to take a cloud IaaS offering with a managed service level agreement that looks after the operating system and infrastructure software. For example, many of our customers rent VMs from us with a LAMP (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP) stack, or if at scale the MySQL bit is separated out onto dedicated database machines, with us looking after the operating system (Linux) and infrastructure software (Apache &amp; MySQL, configured to host PHP) and they just look after the software (PHP in this case).
I hate to say it but the most interesting pure PaaS play at present looks to be Azure - provided that they can crack the gnarly problem of seamlessly scaling a relational database. Google App Engine (GAE) is a poor cousin by comparison with its huge restrictions on coding and its non-relational data store. Also, GAE have recently priced themselves out of the market.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there are any properly mature PaaS plays out there to be honest. The next best thing in my view is to take a cloud IaaS offering with a managed service level agreement that looks after the operating system and infrastructure software. For example, many of our customers rent VMs from us with a LAMP (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP) stack, or if at scale the MySQL bit is separated out onto dedicated database machines, with us looking after the operating system (Linux) and infrastructure software (Apache &amp; MySQL, configured to host PHP) and they just look after the software (PHP in this case).</p><p>I hate to say it but the most interesting pure PaaS play at present looks to be Azure &#8211; provided that they can crack the gnarly problem of seamlessly scaling a relational database. Google App Engine (GAE) is a poor cousin by comparison with its huge restrictions on coding and its non-relational data store. Also, GAE have recently priced themselves out of the market.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marina</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-4102</link> <dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:06:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-4102</guid> <description>Hi Kate! Very good stuff! What PaaS can you recommend to try?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate! Very good stuff! What PaaS can you recommend to try?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jan Martens</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-3743</link> <dc:creator>Jan Martens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-3743</guid> <description>Hi Kate
Can I have your permission to reuse the &quot;Service Layers Definition&quot; picture in an offline article? I&#039;ll make sure to mention the URL and you as the author.
Thakns in advance
Jan Martens</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate</p><p>Can I have your permission to reuse the &#8220;Service Layers Definition&#8221; picture in an offline article? I&#8217;ll make sure to mention the URL and you as the author.</p><p>Thakns in advance<br
/> Jan Martens</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bud</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-3586</link> <dc:creator>bud</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:40:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-3586</guid> <description>Kate
If it is possible, could you provide an example of and SaaS application, like box.net that was developed (and runs?) on a PaaS (like ??) and is hosted on a IaaS like Amazon. I am guessing the above scenario could be true but I can&#039;t find an example of it.
thanks for any help
Bud</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate</p><p>If it is possible, could you provide an example of and SaaS application, like box.net that was developed (and runs?) on a PaaS (like ??) and is hosted on a IaaS like Amazon. I am guessing the above scenario could be true but I can&#8217;t find an example of it.</p><p>thanks for any help</p><p>Bud</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Akram</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/iaas-paas-saas-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-3168</link> <dc:creator>Akram</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/?p=515#comment-3168</guid> <description>Thanks, the diagram is very well done!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, the diagram is very well done!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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