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> <channel><title>Comments on: (Deprecated) The definition of cloud computing</title> <atom:link href="http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/</link> <description>Thoughts on British ICT, energy &#38; environment, &#34;Cloud&#34;, and security from Memset&#039;s MD</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:21:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Kate Craig-Wood</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-1951</link> <dc:creator>Kate Craig-Wood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-1951</guid> <description>@DavidW Good point actually; since I wrote that post (and I&#039;m working on an updated version) about 18 months ago. At the time I meant &quot;one administrative domain&quot; to mean within one domain of logical control, rather than one domain of physical control (eg. a bunch of Universities), but since then the term &quot;administrative domain&quot; seems to have transmogrified to mean a physical domain of control.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DavidW Good point actually; since I wrote that post (and I&#8217;m working on an updated version) about 18 months ago. At the time I meant &#8220;one administrative domain&#8221; to mean within one domain of logical control, rather than one domain of physical control (eg. a bunch of Universities), but since then the term &#8220;administrative domain&#8221; seems to have transmogrified to mean a physical domain of control.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DavidW</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-1940</link> <dc:creator>DavidW</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:44:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-1940</guid> <description>Interesting though I would say that your definition of grid is wrong, Grid currently is inherently crossing administrative domains, EGEE, TeraGrid, OSG are all effectively a set of different resource providers that all run the same platform.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting though I would say that your definition of grid is wrong, Grid currently is inherently crossing administrative domains, EGEE, TeraGrid, OSG are all effectively a set of different resource providers that all run the same platform.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dakshayani B S</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-1922</link> <dc:creator>Dakshayani B S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:41:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-1922</guid> <description>confusing terms are grid, utility &amp; cloud computing. Now i have understood little bit.But still some materials tells that grid is sub set of distributed computing. Is this cloud computing is also true?
I heard different computing models are now emerging technology like grid,utility,cloud,parallel, distributed,soft,pervasive,computing 2008,cluster computing etc.. Can you give me the clear picturization of these models &amp; how these models are inter-linked?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>confusing terms are grid, utility &amp; cloud computing. Now i have understood little bit.But still some materials tells that grid is sub set of distributed computing. Is this cloud computing is also true?</p><p>I heard different computing models are now emerging technology like grid,utility,cloud,parallel, distributed,soft,pervasive,computing 2008,cluster computing etc.. Can you give me the clear picturization of these models &amp; how these models are inter-linked?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate Craig-Wood</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link> <dc:creator>Kate Craig-Wood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-432</guid> <description>@Adrian Smales: Thank you for the intelligent response. I am merely trying to define one aspect of the undefined mess that is &quot;Cloud&quot;. In this article I am specifically talking about compute &amp; storage resources (hence &#039;Cloud Computing&#039;) and am not attempting to define our contain the other areas to which many apply the same term.
I believe that when most people talk about &quot;Cloud&quot; they are referring to the phenomenon of increasing centralisation and commoditisation of ICT services - &quot;everything over the wire&quot;.
We need more terms; what I describe here is the mass-market for utility compute resources - the &quot;power grid&quot; of computing, if you will. What you are talking about could be called &quot;Cloud Services&quot; perhaps - services run no a compute utility and themselves delivered as a utility in a standardised manner. The problem I have with that is that while compute resources are interoperable, services are generally not (my compute and storage is directly comparable/interchangeable with Amazon&#039;s, but Kashflow.co.uk is not so easily interchangeable with Xero.com).
As for Eucalyptus, we are thinking of using that for our own EC2-like service. Personally I think Amazon have got it a bit wrong though, and we are going to roll out something a little different most likely as well.
DuraCloud looks interesting - probably ideal for folks that are not too worried about security / locality.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian Smales: Thank you for the intelligent response. I am merely trying to define one aspect of the undefined mess that is &#8220;Cloud&#8221;. In this article I am specifically talking about compute &#038; storage resources (hence &#8216;Cloud Computing&#8217;) and am not attempting to define our contain the other areas to which many apply the same term.</p><p>I believe that when most people talk about &#8220;Cloud&#8221; they are referring to the phenomenon of increasing centralisation and commoditisation of ICT services &#8211; &#8220;everything over the wire&#8221;.</p><p>We need more terms; what I describe here is the mass-market for utility compute resources &#8211; the &#8220;power grid&#8221; of computing, if you will. What you are talking about could be called &#8220;Cloud Services&#8221; perhaps &#8211; services run no a compute utility and themselves delivered as a utility in a standardised manner. The problem I have with that is that while compute resources are interoperable, services are generally not (my compute and storage is directly comparable/interchangeable with Amazon&#8217;s, but Kashflow.co.uk is not so easily interchangeable with Xero.com).</p><p>As for Eucalyptus, we are thinking of using that for our own EC2-like service. Personally I think Amazon have got it a bit wrong though, and we are going to roll out something a little different most likely as well.</p><p>DuraCloud looks interesting &#8211; probably ideal for folks that are not too worried about security / locality.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adrian Smales</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-431</link> <dc:creator>Adrian Smales</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-431</guid> <description>Hi Kate,
The definitions you have set for the various concepts Grid/Utility/Cloud while appear reasonable do not quite explain the difference in intent of each.
I agree in the main with your definitions, however as there is no standard defined it is dangerous to create definitions with out the understanding of how you are abstracting the problem.
I am currently part of an open source pilot:
http://duraspace.org/duracloud.html
The way that we abstract the various layers and define the evolution is thus:
Grid Computing:
Provisioning of hardware in a virtualised environment to provide the building blocks required to host various applications.
Utility Computing:
The ability to dynamically supply or allocate (and bill) elements of a Grid environment on demand.
Cloud Computing:
The application of utility computing as a service (SLA’s and QoS), independent of vendor. Interoperability is a key consideration and a major factor.
The Duracloud project will allow interested organisations to host a cloud environment that will host various distributed applications providing compute and storage services.
The open source environment that can be used currently is:
http://www.eucalyptus.com/
also see:
http://www.eucalyptus.com/enterprise/info/cloud-myths-dispelled/
Best regards.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p><p>The definitions you have set for the various concepts Grid/Utility/Cloud while appear reasonable do not quite explain the difference in intent of each.</p><p>I agree in the main with your definitions, however as there is no standard defined it is dangerous to create definitions with out the understanding of how you are abstracting the problem.</p><p>I am currently part of an open source pilot:<br
/> <a
href="http://duraspace.org/duracloud.html" rel="nofollow">http://duraspace.org/duracloud.html</a></p><p>The way that we abstract the various layers and define the evolution is thus:</p><p>Grid Computing:<br
/> Provisioning of hardware in a virtualised environment to provide the building blocks required to host various applications.</p><p>Utility Computing:<br
/> The ability to dynamically supply or allocate (and bill) elements of a Grid environment on demand.</p><p>Cloud Computing:<br
/> The application of utility computing as a service (SLA’s and QoS), independent of vendor. Interoperability is a key consideration and a major factor.</p><p>The Duracloud project will allow interested organisations to host a cloud environment that will host various distributed applications providing compute and storage services.</p><p>The open source environment that can be used currently is:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.eucalyptus.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eucalyptus.com/</a></p><p>also see:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.eucalyptus.com/enterprise/info/cloud-myths-dispelled/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eucalyptus.com/enterprise/info/cloud-myths-dispelled/</a></p><p>Best regards.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate Craig-Wood</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-430</link> <dc:creator>Kate Craig-Wood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:16:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-430</guid> <description>@Ravi OnLine is an excellent example of a cloud-based service, yes, although I believe it is being streamed from one source so perhaps closer to utility computing. World of Warcraft is run on a scalable compute utility too, although some of the work is done by the local machine.
In the future, I expect ever-more services to be delivered over the wire with less and less compute resource at the client-end (like OnLive).
Perhaps the best example of &#039;true&#039; cloud computing in the gaming world is Sony&#039;s PS3 where the &#039;host&#039; for some games is the distributed collection of games consoles themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ravi OnLine is an excellent example of a cloud-based service, yes, although I believe it is being streamed from one source so perhaps closer to utility computing. World of Warcraft is run on a scalable compute utility too, although some of the work is done by the local machine.</p><p>In the future, I expect ever-more services to be delivered over the wire with less and less compute resource at the client-end (like OnLive).</p><p>Perhaps the best example of &#8216;true&#8217; cloud computing in the gaming world is Sony&#8217;s PS3 where the &#8216;host&#8217; for some games is the distributed collection of games consoles themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ravi</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link> <dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:14:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-429</guid> <description>So basically, in &quot;cloud&quot; computing, all the processing is done in a massive server farm and only inputs and outputs come and go from the &quot;cloud&quot;? Like the upcoming OnLive service or similar to traditional web hosts and web applications, but in large scale. Is that right?
Thanks for the article.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, in &#8220;cloud&#8221; computing, all the processing is done in a massive server farm and only inputs and outputs come and go from the &#8220;cloud&#8221;? Like the upcoming OnLive service or similar to traditional web hosts and web applications, but in large scale. Is that right?</p><p>Thanks for the article.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate Craig-Wood</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link> <dc:creator>Kate Craig-Wood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:47:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-423</guid> <description>I was having a conversation with some top people from the consumer electronics sector recently regarding smart metering - I would think that is where you should be targeting your products.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was having a conversation with some top people from the consumer electronics sector recently regarding smart metering &#8211; I would think that is where you should be targeting your products.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin Cordrey</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link> <dc:creator>Martin Cordrey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:28:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-422</guid> <description>Hello Kate,
I am a trained engineer an have not got a clue what you lot are talking about, however, we are now selling wireless meter reading equipment so companies can have more accurate readings on utility bills.
Are there any sites we can attach our software to, so making them open to the client direct?
Martin</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kate,</p><p>I am a trained engineer an have not got a clue what you lot are talking about, however, we are now selling wireless meter reading equipment so companies can have more accurate readings on utility bills.</p><p>Are there any sites we can attach our software to, so making them open to the client direct?</p><p>Martin</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate Craig-Wood</title><link>http://www.katescomment.com/old-cloud-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link> <dc:creator>Kate Craig-Wood</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:43:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.katescomment.com/wordpress/?p=42#comment-417</guid> <description>By definition, a grid must be under one administrative domain (ie. one entity has control over those resources) or you cannot use it! That does not mean that all nodes in the grid are owned by the same person, however. For instance, PCs involved in SETI@Home form nodes in the distributed grid that SETI use, hence they are all under one administrative domain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, a grid must be under one administrative domain (ie. one entity has control over those resources) or you cannot use it! That does not mean that all nodes in the grid are owned by the same person, however. For instance, PCs involved in SETI@Home form nodes in the distributed grid that SETI use, hence they are all under one administrative domain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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