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	<description>Thoughts on British ICT, energy &#38; environment, &#34;Cloud&#34;, and security from Memset&#039;s MD</description>
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		<title>By: Carbon cost of Downloads vs. CDs &#124; Kate's Comment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbon cost of Downloads vs. CDs &#124; Kate's Comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be complete we should include the embedded carbon of the servers too. According to my educated guesstimate of embedded energy, an average server probably uses 1,000 kWh in its manufacture. These are big-ish servers, so lets [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be complete we should include the embedded carbon of the servers too. According to my educated guesstimate of embedded energy, an average server probably uses 1,000 kWh in its manufacture. These are big-ish servers, so lets [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hopton</title>
		<link>http://www.katescomment.com/sweat-the-desktops-replace-the-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hopton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Figures, here&#039;s some more to chew on;

A three year old PC will typically idle at about 70(best)-210W(worst) eg;
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Opti_GX520_DT.pdf
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Dim9200.pdf

A recent study done for the US EPA which went into Energy Star 5.0 indicates a typical energy consumption cycle is approximated by taking 40%x On-Idle + 5%x Sleep + 55%x Off.

So the first machine above has a TEC of 255KWh/yr
The Second machine has a TEC of 753KWh/yr

Of course now we&#039;ve got dual core desktops using 26W idle and less (16W for our fulwood) with a TEC of 102KWh/yr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Figures, here&#8217;s some more to chew on;</p>
<p>A three year old PC will typically idle at about 70(best)-210W(worst) eg;<br />
<a href="http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Opti_GX520_DT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Opti_GX520_DT.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Dim9200.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Dim9200.pdf</a></p>
<p>A recent study done for the US EPA which went into Energy Star 5.0 indicates a typical energy consumption cycle is approximated by taking 40%x On-Idle + 5%x Sleep + 55%x Off.</p>
<p>So the first machine above has a TEC of 255KWh/yr<br />
The Second machine has a TEC of 753KWh/yr</p>
<p>Of course now we&#8217;ve got dual core desktops using 26W idle and less (16W for our fulwood) with a TEC of 102KWh/yr</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.katescomment.com/sweat-the-desktops-replace-the-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been looking at www.nohotair.co.uk and it is a great site - I&#039;ve started pointing others there too.

Good point about going virtual too; for us it was initially a cost-saving initiative, but that is of course synonymous with energy-saving. Most green initiatives in IT also save money - a simple example is swapping out 3-year-old servers for modern energy-efficient ones with a solid virtualisation program; you get a payback within a year in some cases.

Finally, yes you are very right about a lack of comms between the IT dept and the end-users. Some of our customers come to us in large part for the reason that it allows them to give clear pricing to their internal end-users, since they don&#039;t have the means to bill internally for self-hosted kit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at <a href="http://www.nohotair.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.nohotair.co.uk</a> and it is a great site &#8211; I&#8217;ve started pointing others there too.</p>
<p>Good point about going virtual too; for us it was initially a cost-saving initiative, but that is of course synonymous with energy-saving. Most green initiatives in IT also save money &#8211; a simple example is swapping out 3-year-old servers for modern energy-efficient ones with a solid virtualisation program; you get a payback within a year in some cases.</p>
<p>Finally, yes you are very right about a lack of comms between the IT dept and the end-users. Some of our customers come to us in large part for the reason that it allows them to give clear pricing to their internal end-users, since they don&#8217;t have the means to bill internally for self-hosted kit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.katescomment.com/sweat-the-desktops-replace-the-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James &amp; Helen,

Sorry for being a bit slow to reply - I&#039;ve been busy jumping jumping out of an airplane in in the Himilayas! http://jumpeverest.com

Anyway, I got my figures from a collection of sources; some direct from Fujitsu on their new super-green manufacture plant (at a conference on green IT at Oxford Uni), and some direct from Dell (who we buy most of our kit from). The most helpful source, though, was a paper in Environmental Science &amp; Technology (2004, 38, 6166-6174) by Eric Williams titled &quot;Energy Intensity of Computer Manufacturing: Hybrid Assessment Combining Process and Economic Input-Output Methods&quot;.

I took that paper and applied some of the latest figures from the manufacturers to his calculations. I also did a bit of research on LCDs (his paper talks about CRTs), but there was not a lot of info on manufacturing costs so I it ended up being a bit of an educated guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James &amp; Helen,</p>
<p>Sorry for being a bit slow to reply &#8211; I&#8217;ve been busy jumping jumping out of an airplane in in the Himilayas! <a href="http://jumpeverest.com" rel="nofollow">http://jumpeverest.com</a></p>
<p>Anyway, I got my figures from a collection of sources; some direct from Fujitsu on their new super-green manufacture plant (at a conference on green IT at Oxford Uni), and some direct from Dell (who we buy most of our kit from). The most helpful source, though, was a paper in Environmental Science &amp; Technology (2004, 38, 6166-6174) by Eric Williams titled &#8220;Energy Intensity of Computer Manufacturing: Hybrid Assessment Combining Process and Economic Input-Output Methods&#8221;.</p>
<p>I took that paper and applied some of the latest figures from the manufacturers to his calculations. I also did a bit of research on LCDs (his paper talks about CRTs), but there was not a lot of info on manufacturing costs so I it ended up being a bit of an educated guess.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate

Are you able to give a source for those manufacturing and distribution figures?

Regards

James

langstraatj@halcrow.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate</p>
<p>Are you able to give a source for those manufacturing and distribution figures?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>James</p>
<p><a href="mailto:langstraatj@halcrow.com">langstraatj@halcrow.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.katescomment.com/sweat-the-desktops-replace-the-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, one of the things that cloud any energy debate, be it on green IT, security of supply, rising cost etc is that the vast majority of end-users, including some big UK business users just don&#039;t know how much they use: No one has a clue thanks to the steam age metering in our digital world.
Visit our web site www.nohotair.co.uk and tell your customers to as well. We figure virtualising servers is not only green, but more greedily, will save an enterprise far more than outdated concepts of switching supplier. The payback is immediate as well! We figure that up to a third of business electricity bills can really disappear by going virtual!

Another key problem is that energy and IT users often don&#039;t speak to one another and don&#039;t realise how they can help each other. That comes a lot from energy not being important at board level, although at prices way over 100% up year on year that is finally changing. But getting back to point one: lots of people don&#039;t know where to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, one of the things that cloud any energy debate, be it on green IT, security of supply, rising cost etc is that the vast majority of end-users, including some big UK business users just don&#8217;t know how much they use: No one has a clue thanks to the steam age metering in our digital world.<br />
Visit our web site <a href="http://www.nohotair.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.nohotair.co.uk</a> and tell your customers to as well. We figure virtualising servers is not only green, but more greedily, will save an enterprise far more than outdated concepts of switching supplier. The payback is immediate as well! We figure that up to a third of business electricity bills can really disappear by going virtual!</p>
<p>Another key problem is that energy and IT users often don&#8217;t speak to one another and don&#8217;t realise how they can help each other. That comes a lot from energy not being important at board level, although at prices way over 100% up year on year that is finally changing. But getting back to point one: lots of people don&#8217;t know where to start.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate

you are always get right!

Maico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate</p>
<p>you are always get right!</p>
<p>Maico</p>
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